Friday, December 16, 2005

Over My Dead Body

Okay, I told you I wouldn't be able to make it to tomorrow for this post. I am Furious!!!! I am mad! Let's see, the last time I was this upset it involved a certain senator. That's right, the last time I was this mad it also involved McCain. I see a recurring theme. McCain loves to stab Republicans and the American people in the back.

He has been pushing his so-called torture ban and unbeknownst to me the senate had already approved it by 90-9. (My senators better be two of the 9 or they'll be hearing from me.) And yesterday the House gave veto-proof support for it by 308-122. So even though I was upset with W yesterday I now realize he was backed into a corner. He had been trying to weaken the measure but to no avail. In an article this is what McCain said about his ridiculous ban:

"The deal shows that the United States "upholds values and standards of behavior and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are," McCain said Thursday. The agreement will "help us enormously in winning the war for the hearts and minds of people throughout the world in the war on terror."

I apologize for my language but this is complete BS. This does nothing more than weaken the U.S. and endanger the lives of our soldiers. Instead of being able to press terrorists for info that will save lives they will be able to get a lawyer and whine about their inhumane treatment. Meanwhile the terrorists don't bat an eye as they behead innocent men and women. I'm sorry but this WILL NOT help us "win the hearts and minds of people around the world". They all hate us and this will probably lower their respect level for us. You want your enemies to fear you, not think you are kind to terrorists.

McCain thinks he has a chance at the Republican nomination in 2008. Hah!!! I was talking to a friend of mine this summer after McCain had stabbed conservatives in the back with his judicial filibuster compromise. She is normally a pretty laid back person but we both agreed Over my dead body is McCain getting the Republican nomination in 2008. I know this is strong language but I despise McCain. He has done more to damage this country than a lot of democrats. The main mistake I think W has made as President is when he agreed to McCain's campaign finance bill. The last time I checked free speech was protected in the constitution. All of this to say McCain wins my GMWAS award today, hands down.

In other bad news the Patriot Act was not renewed today. This is a huge blow to the war on terror and very disappointing to me. So I guess we've had good news and bad news this week.


Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

12 17 05

Whoa now the vitriol is beginning to ooze Ms. Chatterbox!!!Ha! You know, since McCain was a POW who was tortured, maybe he has a soft spot for all prisoners cuz from what I gather, he was tortured in a horrrrrrrrrible way when he was a POW! Then, as far as the Patriot Act not being renewed, a double edged sword to be sure. On the one hand, I don't mind certain governmental incursions into my affairs, but on the other it is kinda like MAN oh MAN is there such a thing as the writ of habeas corpus? I ramble. Thx for wishing me well while I was out and I am still on bedrest! I hope you have a great weekend and enjoy yourself:) Things are tough now in many ways...

Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Mahndisa: Glad you're doing a little better. Hope you make a complete recovery sooner than expected.

Robosquirrel said...

The Vietnamese went easier on McCain than they did on other prisoners without famous fathers, not to diminish what he went through, because he certainly was tortured. He had value to them as a bargaining chip and a PR tool. He absolutely should realize what he's doing, but it seems to me he positioning himself as a uniter, in order to get to the White House. It makes me curious about what he really believes.

And if I can't tell what someone really believes, by their words and actions, that person seems to me like a great big phony.

Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

12 16 05

Robosquirrel: I see what you mean. Then again Abe Lincoln was called "The Great Unifier" and he was a good president for it, imho. Since our country is so divided into red and blue, don't you think we need someone to unite us rather than someone who perpetuates divisions? I get annoyed because of the Red v. Blue thingie but it is a hallmark of a DISJOINT society and that does not bode well. We are all AMERICANS and although his actions seem inconsistent from time to time, in the end he has done some good things. If he wants to be a uniter, I say go right ahead because someone must do it. And if not him, can you think of anyone else who could take care of business and UNITE? We need someone like that and desperately. Good comments here!

bigwhitehat said...

My senators frequently tell McCain to go jump in the lake. How about yours?

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

LMC: Man, I gotta tell ya, I am really, REALLY liking your posts these days! I haven't visited in a few days and, wow, have you been BUSY!

McCain is a clear RINO and reminds me of Murtha insofar as, yes, they have served their country. But as far as I'm concerned, that's where the considerations should end. Period.

Making mistakes merely means you're MAKING MISTAKES and, no matter your creds, I GET TO DISAGREE IF I WISH. BAGAGOI.

I'm with Mahndisa: I think McCain's history has tended to warp his ability to step back and view torture in the context of its being applied to save our DOMESTIC CIVILIAN population.

Folks, this isn't like the Clinton Administration, with one exception: the 1993 WTC bombing and Flight 800. Absent those, things are radically different now.

E pluribus unum.

From many: ONE.

sandy said...

Seems like everybodys painting themselves with a different brush these days.

Hillary is a moderate, McCain is a uniter, Lieberman is a conservative/moderate/democrat.

But cheer up, Ted Kennedy is still an idiot and Bill Clinton is still a felon.

Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Robo: You make a good point about the phony thing. But if he is trying to make himself him out to be a uniter he's failing miserably in my opinion. He's trying to straddle the fence and people that do that only get shot at from both sides. James, our resident liberal has even said he doesn't like McCain.

BWH: Great line.

BZ: Thanks. McCain is definitely a RINO. And I agree with you that just because you are a veteran doesn't mean you are immune to criticism. I had 2 liberals attack me after posting that sign a couple of days ago. They said I was being disrespectful to veterans because I was critical of Murtha. I'm sorry but I'm grateful for their service but they still need to be held to account for their words and actions.

Mahndisa: I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I think there a FEW moderates who are uniters but McCain is not one of them. You & BZ bring up a good point that his own torture taints his views. But it doesn't make sense to me. He knows more than anyone what the enemy is capable of and should want to protect the American people from danger at their hands. There is no way the US is going to come close to what the Vietnamese did to him. But they have to be able to extract information that will help protect our people. I personally think so much of what he does is political. And I don't see him as a honest, principled person. He's done so many things that reveal he is a phony like Robo says and someone who is doing things for political reasons. I understand you wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt and normally I would too but he's crossed the line with me too many times.

Sandy: "But cheer up, Ted Kennedy is still an idiot and Bill Clinton is still a felon." I got a huge laugh out of that line.

Gayle said...

I got a huge laugh out of that line as well! :lol:

McCain is straddling both sides of the fence. When you have one foot on one side and one foot on the other side, you are liable to experience a large pain in the crotch area.... His "appeasing" of the left is going to come back on him. I'm not interested in "uniting" this country if it means having to go along with the liberals and putting ourselves and our troops at risk.

Excellent post.

Patrick Joubert Conlon said...

I started to distrust McCain when he played footsy with Hitlery.

LMC said: "I'm sorry but this WILL NOT help us "win the hearts and minds of people around the world". They all hate us and this will probably lower their respect level for us. You want your enemies to fear you, not think you are kind to terrorists."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Gayle: Thanks. Your point about what happens when you straddle the fence is right on. My sentiments exactly.

I keep trying to leave comments on your blog and can't get your comments section to work. I noticed other people are able to leave comments so I don't know if its something with my computer or what. I will keep trying. But I have been reading and enjoying :-).

Patrick: Thanks!!

TexasFred said...

IF Elmer Fudd is the best the Repubs have to offer in '08, and he gets the Repub nod for POTUS, we ARE in DEEP crap...

REAL Conservatives see McCain for what he is, *Middle of the Roaders* can't see a thing...

And there comes a time in life when you HAVE to take a stand on things, and if you stand in the MIDDLE of the road, all you're gonna get is RUN OVER....

You can't make everyone happy, so, pick a side and take a stand, I am FED UP with indecisive people that are afraid to pick sides because they either don't have the backbone or they're afraid they'll *hurt someones feelings*...

And the thing that PISSES ME OFF the most now is how for the longest time the Libs have raised all manners of hell about Bush NOT doing the right thing and when word gets out that he HAS ordered some things done, like doing all he can to identify terrorists and gather Intel on them, the Libs and the RINO's go ape-shit crazy...(King Kong maybe?)

Be strong Mr. President, you do have the support, where it counts, and YOU are the POTUS, they're not..

Free Agency Rules said...

I would vote for Liberman before I voted for McCain, or at least I would consider it a great deal.

Here is my fellings about the Patriot Act as I have experssed before on other blogs:

I just hope that the changes the Republicans made cleaned up some of my concerns about the Patriot Act.

I supported about 90% of the first one, but parts in it like "agents writing their own search warrants without having to get a Judge to sign it" and "having the threat of jail just for mentioning that your posssessions were searched, or that your liberties were violated" bothered me a lot.

I don't mind being inconvienced, but I don't like the thought of lossing any of the Bill of Rights such as "Unreasonable Search and Seizure."

I blame the Dems for their politizing the war against terror, but I support people like the Conservative Judge Andrew Napolatano who warns against some of the provisions in the Patriot Act.

Bush will go down in History as one of the Best Choices we could have made for fighting terrorism, but the Patriot Act needs to have "Sunset" provisions of every two years IMHO on the more controvisial issues and also make sure that the Bill of Rights is never compromised.



Little Miss Chatterbox said...

FAR: I understand your concerns but I have heard John Ashcroft talk about some of the misconceptions of the Patriot Act. You said,
"agents writing their own search warrants without having to get a Judge to sign it". I thought for sure I heard Ashcroft clarify that isn't in there and that you can never get a search warrant without a judge.

My impression has always been that the Patriot Act just enabled us to treat terrrorists like we do drug dealers and the mafia. I've never gotten what all the fuss was about.

Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Texas Fred: I like McCain with the nickname Elmer Fudd. I think it fits.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

The fuss is Much Ado About Nothing.

Google it on the internet.

Read the complete text.

Then decide:

Would I rather have had a mushroom cloud enveloping my neighborhood, or would I rather have had an intervention.

Hands up!


"An intervention."

Good choice.

Rebekah said...

Elmer Fudd? Yeah, it fits!

We are among the most humane and honorable nation in the world, and by ridiculousness like this, we're implying that we need a torture policy.

Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Rebekah: Great point!!